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To be fair. Dash Venezuela business model is not the best

There is no current local exchange for DASH/BsS

So, what Dash Venezuela is doing is that they are implementing a direct local exchange.Dash Venezuela buys from the local stores the coins at the market value and pay them in BsS.This method will become unsustainable business in the long run once they run out of cash and is troublesome at the end of the day.With no available exchanges for local fiat vs crypto you are dead in the water

Dean Jaman
They have a very well oiled marketing team and treasury

No no. You don't get it. Dash Venezuela is not part of dash like employees.They are just like an organized community.The money they have gotten has been via request and voting via masternode elections

Douglas 🇻🇪🇺🇸
The money comes if the masternodes approve them to do so. But again. That is crypto. Not local Bolivars

The bottom line is that most ppl won't know dash Venezuela is separate. They'll see the logo and it'll instill a sense of value in Dash, similar to BTC. It's these initiatives that allow to improve network value and we could learn from our big brother Dash.

Lot of unusable information on dashboard

Dash-Accepting Merchants in Venezuela Pass 2,500 as Country Claims #1 in Wallet Downloads | Dash Newshttps://dashnews.org/dash-accepting-merchants-in-venezuela-pass-2500-as-country-claims-1-in-wallet-downloads/

kriptomobile just partnered with Dash and enabled the dash wallet as a native application on their OS, which I presume is based on Android.

There will only be enough unstaked Zen in circ by Q4-2019 to satisfy very few buyers. Every buyer will aim for a sec node at the very least. Look at what dash achieved last yr with less than 8mill circ supply.

Rowan Stone
It would be great but would also be a huge amount of very specialised work. Definitely food for thought though.

Most definitely! Perhaps a collaboration with trezor or ledger could work. Imagine the market penetration it would yield... Ppl using HoriZen HW wallet to stake dash masternodes... 💪💪💪

K
Does anyone here happen to use a hosting service to take care of their masternode, like gin?

I use Bob's hosting service atm. There's a simple dashboard which is used to track all your Zen and shows uptime stats etc. In a meaningful way.

Very interesting comparison between Zcash and Dash.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591J9KcKgHM

1. Governance -->HoriZen & Dash via DAO 👍 2. Trajectory of infrastructure --> HoriZen & Dash 👍3. Independence of Delelopment --> HoriZen & Dash 👍4. Privacy for User --> Horizen 👍 Dash 👎5. Double Spend Protection in Real Time --> Horizen 👎 Dash 👍 6. User Friendliness at protocol Level --> Horizen 👎👎 Dash 👍 (Evolution launching soon)So looks like Dash has a few up on us. I think once they launch Evolution platform, they'll murder the competition... @finpunk & @RowanStone your thoughts?

Andy
@DeanVest what is your opinion Horizen, Zcash, Dash, Monaro?

Monero is great on paper but it's Achilles heel is its user friendliness, or lack of. I really think HoriZen has a shot, but we MUST appeal to the masses. This is apparent in the size of our TG group. Out of all Privacy coins, I believe Dash has the best chance at moonshot.

Dean Jaman
1. Governance -->HoriZen & Dash via DAO 👍 2. Trajectory of infrastructure --> HoriZen & Dash 👍3. Independence of Delelopment --> HoriZen & Dash 👍4. Privacy for User --> Horizen 👍 Dash 👎5. Double Spend Protection in Real Time --> Horizen 👎 Dash 👍 6. User Friendliness at protocol Level --> Horizen 👎👎 Dash 👍 (Evolution launching soon)So looks like Dash has a few up on us. I think once they launch Evolution platform, they'll murder the competition... @finpunk & @RowanStone your thoughts?

You have to think though, DASH started a long time before us and we are coming from ZCash (via ZClassic), which, while technically an amazing privacy project, hasn't done a lot more than have private sending of money. Horizen is start from a strong technical base therefore and then expanding the feature set, if we had the extra years that DASH has had to build up to where they are I'd say we are in as good if not better position than they are.

PeaStew
You have to think though, DASH started a long time before us and we are coming from ZCash (via ZClassic), which, while technically an amazing privacy project, hasn't done a lot more than have private sending of money. Horizen is start from a strong technical base therefore and then expanding the feature set, if we had the extra years that DASH has had to build up to where they are I'd say we are in as good if not better position than they are.

Ofcourse I agree 100% I'm just pointing out that we need to be aware what Dash is aiming for, and ultimately our goals are the same, mass adoption. However, potential users of the platform don't and won't care who had how long, only what they prefer. Also I would like to point out that Dash although a head start, they had to pioneer and develop a lot of things from scratch where HoriZen has the luxury of learning from others mistakes.

I do pity those people who bought DASH at $1600 too, they have 5% of their value now, not that we're doing much better atm at 7.7% compared to ATH

S G
The ease of a multi wallet, speed is imperative

I think blockdag protocol will help in this regard, but a wallet that let's you transact like PayPal (at protocol level) is long overdue for the crypto space. Dash is working on launching one SOON! I hope it sucks, so HoriZen has a chance to catch up

hlovet
Wow! Why so many things to run a node?

so, Horizen have some advanced techs that need that... I must say that it solve 90% of the issues of Dash forks

You can also go further and do an in depth analysis of Dash vs HoriZen based on various assumptions to get to an estimated Fair FV (during next bull run)

PIVX = Dash on performance enhancing drugs

1. Governance -->HoriZen & Dash via DAO 👍 2. Trajectory of infrastructure --> HoriZen & Dash 👍3. Independence of Delelopment --> HoriZen & Dash 👍4. Privacy for User --> Horizen 👍 Dash 👎5. Double Spend Protection in Real Time --> Horizen 👎 Dash 👍 6. User Friendliness at protocol Level --> Horizen 👎👎 Dash 👍 (Evolution launching soon)So looks like Dash has a few up on us. I think once they launch Evolution platform, they'll murder the competition... @finpunk & @RowanStone your thoughts?

Dash recently announced an innovation named ChainLocks that will make it even more difficult to perform a 51% percent attack on the Dash network since it would also require a 51% dominance of the masternode layer. ChainLocks will be included in a future update to the protocol... Interesting when compared to our approach. Perhaps we could implement something similar as additional protection layer... 🤔

MimbleWimble protocol is a design for a blockchain-based ledger where there are no addresses and the data storage required is minimized. It is a private-by-default blockchain that is also scalable. Will this be problem in the long run, with new coins using this protocol like Beam are planning to kill off Dash

Beam - ASIC resistant, All transactions are private by default, No addresses or other private information are stored on the blockchain, superior scalability due to compact blockchain size, opt-in Auditability, support online and offline transactions, atomic swap, hardware wallets integration, wallet app for mobile and desktop, backed by Treasury, establishing a non-profit foundation to govern the protocol after Mainnet launch.How’s Dash going to compete with this?

Jc
If the rewards for supernodes were increased people would move their securenodes over as it is cheaper to run a single instance as opposed to 12. It would then reach equilibrium again with the rewards

Hey Jc :) I know we already talked about it many times but you are right for the equilibrium. The thing is that we also have to put a cap on the nodes (and yes I know it is not the 'philosophy'of the project that is to have any many nodes as possible but sometimes you have to adapt if the tokenomics do not make sense anymore).It was like Dash at some point, it's not that there was a limit in numbers of nodes but a node costed so much in terms of collateral (due to the price of Dash coins) that it was really hard to get a new node.Before the SuperNodes were kinda 'protected' when Zen was like $20 or higher as not everybody could afford to buy 500Zen. Now due to the price, nearly anybody can get a Supernode and it lowers the rewards even more.

Me
Both have a trusted setup which ruins it in my opinion. When zk starks comes out tell me why both zec and horizon won't be killed

So what you're saying is Stark will beat snark then Sfark* will come out and beat Stark? And this will happen in perpetuity? Did litecoin ruin Bitcoin? Did zcash ruin Dash?

Rola Thoma
It's 1 hour free troubleshooting after setup is completed

Also what is your rate for hosted nodes? Your site says "High Tier masternodes will not qualify for this plan, such as: Zen, PIVX, DASH, TOMO. Contact us if you have questions about it"For the $0.33 daily rate

PeaStew
I dunno, we went to tonnes of shows, did presentations, youtube interviews and podcasts, lots of advertising. Good numbers on all of this in terms of participation, feedback at booths is that we are a crowd favourite and people appreciate the honesty and knowledge level of the team participating (people often stay around for hours with us) and none of it helps the price.

I hear ya man, and these things build credibility and qualifies Zen as a serious contender. However, I'm referring to the fact that ppl in this space have gold fish like memory, always chasing gains. Hence, we need relentless marketing and PR. To give you a simple example, dash school with Amanda B. Johnson was great. It added a lot of value for Dash.

I dunno how useful it is to compare with early era projects like Dash and where we are now, we are a young project and a fork at that, the market is and was saturated at point of entry

Best service and have a nice dashboard

Horizen has optional privacy. Just like zcoin, zcaah, dash, or pivx, it wont actually be able to spend coins that are private. That's why Dash partnered with coinfirm to track transactions and flag mixed transactions before getting on bigger exchanges. It destroyed the value of their privacy feature.

Dash e Ethereum $1400

Paulo
Dash 150

Are you a dash holder?because im not dash does not concern meZEN is'nt DASH

that means the dash team fails 3 times more

Justin
They shut down due to lack of interest in their relatively high-priced service. What impact could it have?

I read an article. Zen dash and zcoin was mentioned. As staking coins as well. I have almost never heard of Gin. It's more like a token than a coin, right? It's not easy to gain so much value if there is not enough use case. Thats what i thought when i read about Gin after i read the article. Zen, dash etc are coins. Money. Future store of value etc. I am not investing in tokens that much. Am i right or completely wrong?